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I haven't seen this linked to yet at dKos.  There is an important new post at Sadly, No! about a translation of a German TV report (in German) regarding abuse by US forces of imprisoned Iraqi children.  I recall Sy Hersh hinting darkly about something like this several weeks ago.

Some snippets...

From his cell in the adult's section he hears a girl of maybe 12 years of age crying. Later he found out that her brother was held in a cell on the second floor of the prison. Once or twice he says, he saw the girl himself. [...] "She called out her brother's name. She was beaten, she cried out "they took off my clothes, they poured water on me."" --Suhaib Badr-Addin Al-Baz

"Over the course of 19 visits in 6 different detention facilities from January to May of this year, we counted 107 children. These facilities were under the control of coalition troops." --Florian Westphal, ICRC.

The ICRC found minors in both Qasr and Abu Ghraib. Two international organizations confirm, independently, that coalition troops have jailed Iraqi children. But information directly from the prisons remains unavailable. UNICEF was not able to visit the children's prison in Baghdad:

"UNICEF asked to visit this facility in July 2003, but access was denied." --UNICEF

Truly horrible. This needs to get disseminated far and wide. Why the hell do we have to rely on the foreign press to do the job our press corps should be doing?

Originally posted to Gryn on Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 10:27 AM PDT.

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  •  Any German speakers out there? (none)
    Help translate the video since apparantly it isn't complete yet.

    Streaming video from SWR here. Full German transcript here.

    •  UNICEF (none)
      I don't have time to translate the entire transcript, but it makes reference to a UNICEF report:

      "Children who were arrested in Kerbala and Basra were routinely transferred to the 'Internment Center' in Um Qasr.

      We are very concerned that these children have been classified as 'Detainees" because that can mean imprisonment for an undetermined abount of time, absence of contact with their families, court proceedings, etc."

      This is the first time I've heard ot Um Qasr.  Anyone know something about it?  The transcript mentions that it is off-limits to reporters.

      Those at the top say:this way to glory. Those down below say:this way to the grave. -Bertolt Brecht

      by DowneastDem on Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 11:31:47 AM PDT

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      •  There is at least one (none)
        prison at Umm Qsar.  Janis Karpinski oversaw 16, 3 of which were large, one of the three was Abu Ghraib.  There are more than 30 prisons and we are still building them...

        I guess we have Gen. Boykin Rules of Engagement: our god is bigger.

        by Marisacat on Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 11:48:53 AM PDT

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      •  How can they "arrest" children!? (none)
        How can they put them in jail!?

        This is the sort of thing that makes one pound the talbe furious!

        What has been done in our name to those children?

        All along, though, since the photgraphs: there was mention that women and children were also in Abu Ghraib.  But no dtail beyond that except a reference that, "A soldier having sex with an Iraqi woman."  Under the circumstances -- it's doubtful she volunteered to be incarcerated -- "having sex" should be rape.

        That we've only heard vague references to the women and children -- look at what was done to the men; were the women treated decently? -- is ominous.  Especially the rarely reported detail that US troops filmed Iraqi guards raping young boys.

        What has been done in our name!?  We have an absolute right to know.  How are we going to get the Bushit War Crime Family out of office and into the Hague?

        A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

        by jnagarya on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 07:52:27 AM PDT

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    •  Look through the links -- the full (none)
      translation of the Mainz report.

      Then check those links -- there's one to "Tom Tomorrow".

      This is a horror.  How does one handle this?

      Does Provance have a legal fund?  Oh, if I could meet him, I'd hug him for the decency.  He was told to shut up -- apparently signed a non-disclosure agreement.  But then blew the whistle anyway.

      And he's a pariha in the town he comes from.  Those who accuse those who tell the truth of "hating America" are the haters.  If, that is, America is to stand for truth.

      A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

      by jnagarya on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:00:16 AM PDT

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  •  I want this on the nightly news, RIGHT NOW (none)
    For some reason, the salacious pictures of naked Iraqi men were bigger news than the (photo-free) plight Iraqi children abused by those self-same torturers in U.S. uniforms.

    Christ, the devastation we have wreaked on these people makes me sick.

    Maryscott O'Connor -- Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

    by Maryscott OConnor on Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 10:33:29 AM PDT

    •  No not bigger. (none)
      It is, very likely and frankly the only way to make this work, being rolled out in succession.  Hersh made it clear that both women and children were and are being held under similiar conditions...  It is known there is a children's wing.  It is known the military has been taking hostages from certain areas in Iraq when making raids.

      I htink the women will roll out next, then the children.  Only way to make it work.

      Frankly, the ICRC has stated that "a few changes" have occurred.  They say no more.  It was reported that 4 recent reports of theirs have been leaked to a US network.  I assume CBS as they have the groundwork in place ot handle the back ground info...
      I am expecting a leak around (after) the Dem convention.  the Wapo have hundreds of photos, The NewYorker has aobut a thousand.

      It is not over.  But has to be managed.

      I guess we have Gen. Boykin Rules of Engagement: our god is bigger.

      by Marisacat on Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 11:45:48 AM PDT

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      •  Several weeks ago Hersch (none)
        said he saw all the photos and videos.  All.

        And the interpretation when he said that was that he was afraid.  How huge will the shock be when this stuff is leaked.

        And yet it has got to be released.  We have an absolute right to know what has been done in our name!

        And is probably still being done: as for now complying with the Geneva Conventions, Bushit has only hedged.

        And he has the gall to actually run for election!?  How much more is he going to disgrace our country before someone slaps him upside the head and wakens his conscience?

        A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

        by jnagarya on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 07:57:20 AM PDT

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  •  Wipe the smrik of their face (none)
    This news should wipe the smirk off any republican's face who suggests the abuse in Iraq is equal to fraternity hazing - you hear me Rush.
    Also, where the f*ck is the 200 pages of the Prison report that Rumsfeld chose not to give to the senators.
    I am horrified.
    •  2,000 pages. (none)
      And apparently U.S. News and World Report got all the Taguba report annexes in their entirety.

      Meanwhile, the Senate is still trying to get copy of those 2,000 pages.

      Those materials could only have been leaked by high level military.  There are many top brass furious at the damage being done to the Army.  And Lindsay Graham is one Republican who wants to get to get all the way to the absolute bottom of it -- no matter how high it goes.

      Is there any doubt remaining that Rumsfeld is a lunatic?  And Bushit calls Saddam a "madman" for being Bushit's mirror.

      A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

      by jnagarya on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 08:01:04 AM PDT

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  •  US detention of children has been known .... (4.00)
    ... for more than a year now.  Only the extent of the detentions was a mystery.

    Here's a dKos thread from back in April:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/28/144847/710

    And another about the use of children as leverage in the interrogation of their parents:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/13/81141/5721

    •  "leverage" (none)
      Hersch made somewhat vague reference to things being done to the children in front of their mothers.

      I have yet to find the courage to put together 2 with 2.  And that 4 with another 2+2.

      A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

      by jnagarya on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 08:03:52 AM PDT

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  •  Nice (none)
    More good knowledge to know.

    Faux news needs faux wood blinds to shade the failures of the Bush presidency.

    by dopies on Sat Sep 04, 2004 at 01:36:32 AM PDT

  •  Nice (none)
    Good information for a recovering Nader supporter like myself.

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